Clifton RFC History - Robert Hoskins Lloyd

Clifton Rugby Football Club History

Robert Hoskins Lloyd

Robert Hoskins Lloyd selected for England while playing for Harlequins. Born 3rd March 1943 in Plymouth but moved to Glasgow when 2 years old. He joined Clifton while at Cheltenham College. His parents were living in Bristol. His father played rugby for Weston-super-Mare and his brother, Steve, played rugby for Cambridge University, although not a Blue, and Cheltenham.

	INTERNATIONAL RECORD: English Caps 1967	Career Record: P5 W1, D2, L2, Tries 2, Cons 0, Pen 0, DropG 0
	4th Nov 1967 v New Zealand (Twickenham) L 23-11 20th Jan 1968 v Wales (Twickenham) (FN) D 11-11 10th Feb 1968 v Ireland (Twickenham)(FN) D 9-9	24th Feb 1968 v France (Stade Colombes, Paris) (FN) L 9-14 16th March 1968 v Scotland (Murrayfield) (FN) W 8-6
	OTHER RECORD: Barbarians Appearances 1967	Career Record: P2, W1, D0, L1, Tries 1, Cons 0, Pen 0, DropG 0
	16th December 1967 V New Zealand (Twickenham) L 6-11	27th December 1967 v Leicester (Leicester) W 15-6

Above letter from Clifton Rugby Club acknowledging his application for membership.

Above letter to his brother from Harlequins acknowledging his application for membership and suggesting his brother, who was to be made captain of Clifton for the following season, should join Harlequins. The mistake is that the younger brother was to captain Cheltenham College.

Bob Lloyd played only a handful of games for Clifton at the start of the season in 1961/62 before the Harlequins in the form of Roger A.M Whyte (who also played for Clifton) convinced him to play for Harlequins, driving up to London from Bristol together to play initially for one of the "A" XV's, then the Wanderers (2nd) XV and 4 games in the 1st XV that same season.

Above programme cover and teamsheet from the December 2nd match played at London Welsh's ground, Harlequins v Blackheath with ex Clifton player Bob Lloyd.

Programme from the Surrey v Sussex match played on 16th December 1964. Surrey won 14-5. This match decided the South-East Division. Surrey lost the semi-final to Warwickshire who went on to win the County Championship.

Above programme cover and teamsheet for the Harlequins v Jean Prat's XV at Twickenham with Bob Lloyd in the Harlequins side. Jean Prat was a Lourdes and France international from 1945 - 1955. He captained France in 1955 and much of rise in French rugby is down to him. His side included 7 French Internationals.

Above programme from the Surrey v Kent match played on 19th October 1966. Surrey won 12-5

Standing: J.Hancock (Coach), R.B.Hiller, C.M.Payne, M.J.Mason, R.H.Lloyd, R.S.Relf (Touch Judge). Kneeling: T.W.Rutter, R.P.Lewis, P.C.Orr.

Above: Bob Lloyd, part of the 1967 Harlequins team that won the Middlesex 7's in 1967.

The England side v All Blacks at Twickenham on Saturday 4th November 1967 included Colin McFadyean and Bob Lloyd, both ex Clifton RFC players, in the starting line-up. Bob Lloyd went on to score 2 tries on his international debut. He was chosen to tour South Africa with the British Lions in 1968 but was unable to do so because of exams. He was a Civil Engineer.

Above programme cover and draw for the Middlesex 7's won by Harlequins with ex Clifton RFC player Bob Lloyd.

Above teams that played in the 1967 Middlesex 7's on the 29th April 1967. Also taking part in this tournament was ex Clifton RFC player Colin McFadyean for Moseley and Steve Richards for Richmond. Harlequins beat Richmond in the final. Steve Richards did not play in the final.

Bob Lloyd captained Harlequins the following year in the Middlesex 7's but they were knocked out in the 5th Round to the eventual winners London Welsh.

Above programme cover and teamsheet for the County Championship final Durham v Surrey at Twickenham.

Above Bob Lloyd scores in the County Championship final v Durham at Twickenham. It ended a 14-14 draw and was replayed in Hartlepool.

Above programme cover and teamsheet for the replay of the County Championship final Durham v Surrey.

Standing (L-R): M.H.Titcomb (Referee), T.Aron (Touch Judge), J.B.Coker, R.H.Lloyd, J.H.S.Howard (President), C.S.Dutson, T.Brooke, R.B.Hiller, G.Patterson, D.Richards, A.J.Hendrickse. Sitting: R.P.Lewis, G.C.Murray, R.C.B.Michaelson (Captain), A.L.Horton, C.Gibbons. On Ground: P.J.Ostling, B.A.Richards.

Above Surrey the 1967 joint County Champions (with Durham) with ex Clifton RFC player Bob Lloyd.

Above programme cover and team sheet from the Harlequins v Blackheath match on 14th January 1967 with ex. Clifton RFC player Bob Lloyd. This was Harlequins centenary year.

Standing (L-R): D.C.J.McMahon (Referee), D.Rutherford (Gloucester), R.H.Lloyd (Harlequins), G.A.Sherriff (Saracens), J.E.Owen (Coventry), P.J.Larter (Northampton), R.E.Webb (Coventry), R.B.Taylor (Northampton), K.F.Savage (Northampton), A.D.Martin (Touch Judge). Seated: W.J.Gittings (Coventry), J.F.Finlan (Moseley), D.P.Rogers (Bedford). P.E.Judd (Coventry) (Captain), H.Godwin (Coventry), C.W.McFadyean (Moseley), A.L.Horton (Blackheath).

Above the England team that played New Zealand on 4th November 1967.

Above a ticket for the England v New Zealand match on 4th November 1967.

Above programme cover and teamsheet from the England v New Zealand match on 4th November 1967.

Keith Savage races through the All Black defence passes to Colin McFadyean who passes to Bob Lloyd who scores one of the greatest ever trys against the All Blacks on 4th November 1967. As was the fashion in those days players just walked back after scoring and there was no hugging.

Above programme cover and teamsheet from the England v The Rest match played on 6th January 1968 at Twickenham. The match featured ex Clifton players Colin McFadyean and Bob Lloyd on the England side.

Standing (L-R): D.W.Brown (touch judge), B.W.Redwood (Bristol), B.Keen (Newcastle University), D.H.Prout (Northampton), R.H.Lloyd (Harlequins), B.R.West (Northampton), M.J.Parsons (Northampton), D.J.Gay (Bath), R.B.Hiller (Harlequins), M.J.Coulman, D.P.d'Arcy (referee). Seated: P.J.Bell (Blackheath), J.F.Finlan (Moseley), C.W.McFadyean (captain) (Moseley), J.V.Pullin (Bristol), P.J.Larter (Northampton), K.F.Savage (Northampton).

Above the England team that played Wales on 20th January 1968. Colin McFadyeans debut as England captain. A side that featured 5 Northampton players.

Above the programme cover and team sheet from Bob Lloyd's 2nd England cap and Colin McFadyean's first game as England Captain against Wales on 20th January 1968.

Above ticket from the game against Wales on 20th January 1968.

Above the programme cover and teamsheet from Bob Lloyd's 3rd match for England and Colin McFadyean's second and last game as England Captain against Ireland on 10th February 1968.

Back Row: M.F.Turner (touch-judge), R.H.Lloyd (Harlequins and England), M.Wiltshire (Aberavon and Wales), G.A.Sherriff (Saracens and England), P.J.Larter (Northampton and England), R.B.Taylor (Northampton and England), D.Grant (Hawick and Scotland), A.L.Horton (Blackheath and England), R.E.Webb (Coventry and England), M.Joseph (referee), W.K.M.Jones (touch-judge). Front Row: W.K.Jones (Cardiff and Wales), G.O.Edwards (Cardiff and Wales), C.H.Norris (Cardiff and Wales), S.Wilson (captain) (Oxford University and Scotland), T.G.R.Davies (Cardiff and Wales), B.John (Cardiff and Wales), F.A.L.Laidlaw (Melrose and Scotland).

Above the Barbarians side that played New Zealand on the 16th December 1967 with Bob Lloyd. After scoring 2 tries on his debut for England against the All Blacks he scored another try for the Barbarians against the All Blacks the following month.

Above signed programme cover and teamsheet from the Barbarians v New Zealand match on the 16th December 1967. The signatures are the following All Blacks C.K.Saxton (Manager), B.J.Lochore, A.G.Steel, W.J.Nathan, C.E.Meads and I.R.MacRae, as well as a BBC 2 commentator.

Above: Barry John's kick over the line is pounced on by Bob Lloyd to score for the Barbarians. The only team that came close to beating the All Blacks in 1967.

Above programme cover and teamsheet of the Barbarians v Leicester match 27th December 1967 which featured Bob Lloyd. Barbarians won 15-6

Above profile on Bob Lloyd in the January 1968 edition of Rugby World.

Above programme cover and team sheet for the France v England match on 24th February 1968, Bob Lloyd’s penultimate match for England.

Standing: D.P.d'Arcy (Ireland) (Referee), T.J.Brooke, P.J.Bell, DJ.Gay, M.J.Parsons, B.R.West, P.J.Larter,. Seated: K.F.Savage, R.E.Webb, J.V.Pullin, M.P.Weston (Captain), M.J.Coulman, R.H.Lloyd, B.Keen. On Ground: R.D.A.Pickering, R.B.Hiller.

Above the England team that played Scotland on 16th March 1968. Bob Lloyds last appearance for England.

Above programme cover and team sheet for Bob Lloyds last appearance for England v Scotland at Murrayfield on 16th March 1968. England won 8-6

Above programme cover and team sheet for an England trial match on 18th January 1969. Bob Lloyd played in this match as well as 2 England trials previous to this. On 21st December 1968 for Whites v Blues at Falmouth and on 4th January 1969 for Probables v Possibles at Hartlepool. Unfortunately he was never selected for England again. John Southern Spencer (Cambridge University and Headingley) and David John Duckham (Coventry) took the two centre positions for England.

Bob Lloyd went on to captain Harlequins from 1970-71.

1970-71

Standing (L-R): J.B.Williams (Touch Judge), B.Russell. R.H.Lloyd, T.M.Davies, T.G.Evans, M.G.Roberts, N.F.Hinton, R.C.Curtis, C.T.Gibbons. Sitting: N.C.Starmer-Smith, I.D.Wright, J.Taylor, R.Hiller (Captain), A.F.McHarg, J.M.Novak, A.M.Phillips. (Absent: D.S.Boyle, K.W.Kennedy, A.L.Moroney, T.J.Brooke).

Above: Surrey 1971 County Champions with ex Clifton RFC player Bob Lloyd. They beat Gloucestershire in the final at Kingsholm 14-3.

Above programme cover and teamsheet from the 1971 County final Gloucestershire v Surrey with ex Clifton RFC player Bob Lloyd.

Above a signed Press Photograph of Bob Lloyd playing for Surrey.

Bob Lloyd was selected to play for England on their tour of the Far East in 1971. Matches were played as follows:- Japan 3, Hong Kong 1, Singapore 1 and Sri Lanka 1. He also played in Japan against Washeda University in Tokyo and won. The 2nd and 3rd matches were against Japan although no caps were awarded. The 1st of these was in Osaka and because Tour Captain Budge Rogers was unfit to play he was appointed Captain on the day. England won the game fairly comfortably but the England Captain was criticised by the Tour Coach for allowing the ball to go beyond the flyhalf! "Kick into the box". Back in Tokyo for the 2nd match versus Japan the tour party was keen to put the record straight with a resounding display. Budge Rogers was restored to the Captaincy and Bob Lloyd was rested. England could only manage a 6-6 draw. (results need to be verified)

Robert Hoskins Lloyd BSc, CEng, MHKIE, FICE, graduated from Hatfield Polytechnic in 1969 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Civil Engineering. A Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers, United Kingdom since October 1997 and a member of the Hong Kong Institution of Engineers since 1973.

Bob Lloyd captained Harlequins for 2 seasons, 1970/71 & 1971/72. He left England to work in Hong Kong for the Hong Kong Government in August 1973where he worked for 30 years. He then worked for Chun Wo Construction for 3 years and retired in June 2007.

Bob Lloyd is mentioned on page 73 of the Official Programme of the England v New Zealand match at Twickenham on 27th November 1993 under "Match Records - Most Tries" by a player for England. At that time only Prince Obolensky and Bob Lloyd had scored 2 tries for England in a match v New Zealand. I will attempt to send separately by e-mail a scanned version of the relevant page. Subsequently, Will Carling and Rory Underwood achieved that feat in the Rugby World Cup in South Africa in 199(?). Topsy Ojo also achieved that feat during England's unsuccessful tour to New Zealand in the summer this year. However, only 3 players have scored 2 tries for England v New Zealand on their debut - Prince Obolensky, Bob Lloyd and Topsy Ojo.